For your friend questioning how many deaths are unvaccinated vs. vaccinated, we will never have a clear picture here in the US because of the terrible obfuscation in reporting, as you point out. However, in the UK 80% of deaths are now fully or partially vaxxed:
My one hope 🤞 for this winter is that we begin to get the tempering effect of herd immunity due to recovery from illness. The CDC recently estimated as many as 143 million Americans have recovered, which would be helpful and may begin to put downward pressure on the peaks of the seasonal waves. That said, I think vaccines exacerbate the problem in a number of ways, so who knows.
I pointed out to him Vermont data that keeps track of breakthrough deaths. I complied the data and found them to be at least 78% breakthrough deaths during a two week period. If they missed only a couple it is a big difference in a small state. He said 78% is lower than 90% (the percentage of adults vaccinated in VT). You can only lead a horse to water.
I live in N.E. so have been watching Vermont. In an 11/12/21 ABC piece "VT, highest vaccination rate in the country...cases surging", these tidbits jumped out at me:
"Across the United States and in Vermont, we're seeing the impact of the highly contagious delta variant," Dr. Jan Carney, associate dean for public health and health policy at the University of Vermont's Larner College of Medicine, told ABC News. "It really is so contagious, it seeks out pretty much every unvaccinated person."
"You still have pockets of unvaccinated people, even in a highly vaccinated state," said Dr. John Brownstein, an epidemiologist at Boston Children's Hospital and ABC News contributor. "Unvaccinated individuals are the primary host by which the virus will spread and continue to allow for transmission to take place in the community and ultimately create challenges for those that are vaccinated."
Again, expert doctors propagating "misinformation" that the shots prevent transmission and infection as well as this notion that vaccinated people have to be protected. Thus a triply injected person (and I know a lot) will not associate with anyone "unvaccinated". Bottom line, un-injected folks are the problem and pose a serious threat to those with 3, count 'em - 3 shots, many in less than 10 months. Hmmm, these "vaccines" work pretty well, eh?
As long as "cases" increase in the U.S., the fingers will continue to be pointed, the blame game will worsen and I fear what is happening in Europe will make its way here.
But it might be better to compare the 71% of population fully vaxxed to 78% percent of the "population" of COVID deaths...then it doesn't look so pretty.
I saw El Gato refer to the two week period after a shot as the worry window. I think they wrote a few posts on it.
This blog post has some good info on the new waves of covid:
https://sebastianrushworth.com/2021/11/20/covid-the-surprising-fourth-wave/
I've wondering along the same lines.
For your friend questioning how many deaths are unvaccinated vs. vaccinated, we will never have a clear picture here in the US because of the terrible obfuscation in reporting, as you point out. However, in the UK 80% of deaths are now fully or partially vaxxed:
https://nelsonsnews.substack.com/p/are-the-vaccines-effective-against
My one hope 🤞 for this winter is that we begin to get the tempering effect of herd immunity due to recovery from illness. The CDC recently estimated as many as 143 million Americans have recovered, which would be helpful and may begin to put downward pressure on the peaks of the seasonal waves. That said, I think vaccines exacerbate the problem in a number of ways, so who knows.
I pointed out to him Vermont data that keeps track of breakthrough deaths. I complied the data and found them to be at least 78% breakthrough deaths during a two week period. If they missed only a couple it is a big difference in a small state. He said 78% is lower than 90% (the percentage of adults vaccinated in VT). You can only lead a horse to water.
I live in N.E. so have been watching Vermont. In an 11/12/21 ABC piece "VT, highest vaccination rate in the country...cases surging", these tidbits jumped out at me:
"Across the United States and in Vermont, we're seeing the impact of the highly contagious delta variant," Dr. Jan Carney, associate dean for public health and health policy at the University of Vermont's Larner College of Medicine, told ABC News. "It really is so contagious, it seeks out pretty much every unvaccinated person."
"You still have pockets of unvaccinated people, even in a highly vaccinated state," said Dr. John Brownstein, an epidemiologist at Boston Children's Hospital and ABC News contributor. "Unvaccinated individuals are the primary host by which the virus will spread and continue to allow for transmission to take place in the community and ultimately create challenges for those that are vaccinated."
Again, expert doctors propagating "misinformation" that the shots prevent transmission and infection as well as this notion that vaccinated people have to be protected. Thus a triply injected person (and I know a lot) will not associate with anyone "unvaccinated". Bottom line, un-injected folks are the problem and pose a serious threat to those with 3, count 'em - 3 shots, many in less than 10 months. Hmmm, these "vaccines" work pretty well, eh?
As long as "cases" increase in the U.S., the fingers will continue to be pointed, the blame game will worsen and I fear what is happening in Europe will make its way here.
Wow. Well done. What can you do? 🤷♂️
But it might be better to compare the 71% of population fully vaxxed to 78% percent of the "population" of COVID deaths...then it doesn't look so pretty.